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I suggest we add a "samples" page on every language allowing people to see how the language looks and sounds like. -The best sample texts are probably The Lord's Prayer, and Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, because they are very common and often the de facto samples. -Same goes for the spoken part. We could either find sound files of these texts being read out loud, or record our own.  |
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 02 2010, 11:30:30 » |
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I like the idea. Not so sure on those two texts, but that's beacause I think I've seen them enough  . The biggest problem I can see would be server space for the sound files, but we'd have to see what hashi has to say about that issue, it could be we have plenty of room. Maybe instead of making a separate page for it, it could be integrated into the main intro pages, then people would be able to see it when they're just looking at the info on the language. |
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 02 2010, 02:24:23 » |
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I like the idea. Not so sure on those two texts, but that's beacause I think I've seen them enough . The biggest problem I can see would be server space for the sound files, but we'd have to see what hashi has to say about that issue, it could be we have plenty of room. Maybe instead of making a separate page for it, it could be integrated into the main intro pages, then people would be able to see it when they're just looking at the info on the language. First off, good idea Zeme  However, I like Taydr's suggestions to put them on the introduction pages and I don't like the idea of something so standard, things like the declaration of human rights uses very technical language - things a language learner wouldn't be looking to compare with anyway, and the lords prayer is archaic and again, very specific. I think it would be more interesting to take a paragraph from an article on wiki on something basic, or perhaps a short (about a paragraph long) short story which reflects the everyday uses of the language. In such case, the texts would need to be translated first As for the sound files, there may be some technical issues when it comes to the wiki, so we might leave that out for now. |
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 02 2010, 05:15:43 » |
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Alrighty! I agree that those texts are boring, but the reason I pointed them out is for rare languages which no wikilanger speaks. We could use them in addition to a captivating "John and Mary go to school" story. As for their placement, I'm not sure what you mean.. You want to add them directly into the language's intro page instead of writing a page in the LanguagePages template, right? That's actually a good idea. It saves space and reduces the amount of pages created. I like the idea We can host the sound files elsewhere and just use a link. It's no big deal. |
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 02 2010, 06:19:05 » |
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Alrighty! I agree that those texts are boring, but the reason I pointed them out is for rare languages which no wikilanger speaks. We could use them in addition to a captivating "John and Mary go to school" story. As for their placement, I'm not sure what you mean.. You want to add them directly into the language's intro page instead of writing a page in the LanguagePages template, right? That's actually a good idea. It saves space and reduces the amount of pages created. I like the idea We can host the sound files elsewhere and just use a link. It's no big deal. I'd have to say you're the first person I've heard use wikilanger as a demonym As for the point you pointed out, that would just have to be something to work on as time goes by and we (hopefully) get more diversity in our members. As for the language which we would never find a native for, I doubt you would find a translation of either texts you mentioned either - particularly some of the obscure languages like Voro or Udmurt etc. What he means, is say you have the sample text for French it would go on FrenchW... etc. When I said technical issues, I meant embedding them into the page. I suppose a link to the sound file would work, but thats rather tacky and also steers traffic out of our site. Ideally I would like to find a free embedable mp3 player in flash and use that... if MediaWiki doesn't have too much complaints that is. |
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 02 2010, 08:53:54 » |
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When I said technical issues, I meant embedding them into the page. I suppose a link to the sound file would work, but thats rather tacky and also steers traffic out of our site. Ideally I would like to find a free embedable mp3 player in flash and use that... if MediaWiki doesn't have too much complaints that is.
Just use .ogg files player. Works for wikipedia, so why not here |
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 02 2010, 09:57:27 » |
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OK I'll get started tomorrow.
I'll have a look on what can be done with MediaWiki.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 03 2010, 12:26:50 » |
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When I said technical issues, I meant embedding them into the page. I suppose a link to the sound file would work, but thats rather tacky and also steers traffic out of our site. Ideally I would like to find a free embedable mp3 player in flash and use that... if MediaWiki doesn't have too much complaints that is.
Just use .ogg files player. Works for wikipedia, so why not here Yeah, and the Wikipedia ones never work for me, I have to download them individually. I think .mp3 would be safer with a flash player (flash can only play .wav - which are huge - and .mp3). |
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 04 2010, 07:28:24 » |
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nah forget it. Flash sucks.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 04 2010, 07:38:04 » |
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nah forget it. Flash sucks.
Na na, it's a good idea, and Flash is probably the best way to go about this, as much as it sucks. |
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 04 2010, 09:11:00 » |
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Then perhaps we could spend 6 months gathering the mp3 files and add them all once HTML5 is more widely available. Atm in HTML you have to use object tags which use plugins from a local media player like WMPlayer or Totem... which... fails... epicly. |
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 04 2010, 09:16:14 » |
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That's right. Let's gather ogg files and add them all once HTML5 is more widely available.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 04 2010, 09:23:20 » |
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That's right. Let's gather ogg files and add them all once HTML5 is more widely available.
Why .ogg? |
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 04 2010, 10:35:36 » |
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it's open.
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 05 2010, 01:48:06 » |
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Open source ftw. Besides which, the main audio codec for ogg is flac, which is better than mp3 by heaps.
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 05 2010, 01:58:27 » |
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 05 2010, 11:09:53 » |
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Yah ok, you guys win |
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