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« on: May 16 2010, 02:29:30 »

Does anybody here love phonetics and phonology like me? We could speak about it in this thread. I just checked the wikipedia mandarin phonology page and found out that I'd forgotten mandarin doesn't have /h/, but /x/. Now i'll have to get used to it again :x
and how should I know if I'm doing the compressed vowels correctly?
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« Reply #1 on: May 16 2010, 02:33:01 »

I have a mild interest in phonetics and phonology Tongue

Re your compressed vowels, I don't even know what they are :/
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« Reply #2 on: May 16 2010, 02:35:44 »

the japanese u? :p
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« Reply #3 on: May 16 2010, 02:39:10 »

Oh, I see. Hmmm, I don't know what they should sound like in Chinese then  Think
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« Reply #4 on: May 16 2010, 02:42:31 »

the compressed vowels are not related to chinese, I just asked because of japanese, swedish, german etc.  Coffee Grin
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« Reply #5 on: May 16 2010, 07:44:42 »

Does anybody here love phonetics and phonology like me? We could speak about it in this thread. I just checked the wikipedia mandarin phonology page and found out that I'd forgotten mandarin doesn't have /h/, but /x/. Now i'll have to get used to it again :x
Just for you to know, sinologists use "/x/" because it looks neat next to /k/ and /kʰ/ as their fricative counterpart, in the way /f/ is to /p/ and /pʰ/.

In reality, the most common allophone for /x/ is [X], a voiceless uvular fricative with optional trilling in Beijing (I guess that's what you're learning). During the summer I volunteered at my school during its "international education summer program", basically working with East Asians who had come by for two months to practice their English. I can assure you from all the Beijing Mandarin I used to hear that they really do have [X] for /x/, often as a trill when they were talking emphatically.
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and how should I know if I'm doing the compressed vowels correctly?
By looking at the pictures of this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundedness
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« Reply #6 on: May 16 2010, 07:51:06 »

well, I have to pay more attention then if what I listen is [X].

and I've already read that page, but there is no one to say if i'm doing correctly Tongue
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